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We began with a time of fellowship around some thematic snacks (chocolate angel food cupcakes and devil's food cookies) in order to relax before we got down to business.

Angels

When asked what our popular images of angels were we mentioned that angels had halos and wings, that they were surrounded by light. We thought of guardian angel pins, bookmarks, Hummel figurines and other items that we owned, as well as popular paintings of angels. We also discussed the popular idea that angels exist to watch over, guide, and protect us.


This led to a discussion of whether or not angels are on Earth today and, if so, in what form.

Demons

Dan asked us to think about how, if the angels fell and were being punished by God, some angels were allowed to stay on Earth as demons and torment creation? What is the message this is trying to tell us? We didn't really have an answer, but Liz posed the suggestion that if we understood why the stories were written then it might help us to understand.

We then transitioned to the following question: If we believe angels are on Earth today, do we have the same feeling about demons? Below are the responses.


Carissa then asked: How can we become one church when we have drastically different ideas of the spiritual situation here on Earth (with some people believing in a real spiritual battle between God and Satan and others questioning whether demons really exist)? Having open communication was one suggestion.

Nephilim (giants)

In 1 Enoch, we learn that angels came to Earth and mated with human women. The resulting offspring were giants. Reading the story of the Nephilim brought about one major question: Why are the Nephilim specifically mentioned by name in Genesis but not explained?


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Non-canonical texts and the Bible: What do they mean to our faith?

Week II: Angels and Demons and Nephilim*, oh my!

* Nephilim = original Hebrew term, translated as: Giants

As the title suggests, this week will focus on three types of angelic beings. So the title is a bit redundant, and could easily be: Angels and angels and half-angels. The texts are broken down into sections below and each section includes some questions for thought, that we will hopefully be able to focus on. By no means complete, we've tried to give you a well-rounded representation of the literature.

As before, passages from non-canonical texts are included. Texts from the Bible can be looked up in your favorite edition. There are again numerous readings - but they are all much shorter than last time. We've also included brief explanations of what each passage entails for quick reference.

I. Some descriptions of angels and their role:

Questions to ponder:

  1. Genesis 32: 22 - 30 (Jacob wrestles with an angel - tradition sometimes says with God)
  2. Matthew 13: 24 - 30; 36 - 43 (A parable and its meaning given by Jesus. Shows the ministering role of angels)
  3. Psalm 91: 11 - 12(Angels as protectors)
  4. Isaiah 6: 1 - 4 (A very colorful and symbolic image of seraphim)
  5. Ezekiel 10: 8 - 17 (A very colorful and symbolic image of cherubim)
  6. Daniel 9: 20 - 23 (Gabriel visits Daniel)
  7. Daniel 10: 20 - 11: 1 (Gabriel tells Daniel of 'enemy' guardian angels and of Michael - the archangel of Israel)
  8. Luke 1: 8 - 20 (Gabriel visits the parents of John the Baptist) (Further in he also visits Mary and Joseph)
  9. Tobit 3: 1 - 3; 7 -11; 16 - 17 (A book in the Apocraphya, a part of the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles)

II. Some descriptions of demons and the Fall of Satan:

Questions to ponder:

  1. Mark 5: 1 - 13 (Jesus casts out demons from a man)
  2. Zechariah 3: 1 - 4 (Satan, the accuser at God's throne)
  3. Isaiah 14: 12 - 15 (A prophecy about a King, also interpreted as to describe Satan's Fall)
  4. The Koran 38: 71 - 83 (The reason for Satan's Fall is described)

III. The Fallen Angels, the Nephilim (Giants), and the Flood:

Questions to ponder:

  1. Genesis 5: 21 - 24 (The Biblical character of Enoch - a man who never actually died.)
  2. Genesis 6: 1 - 8 (Explanation why God needed to send the Flood. A brief passage that outlines the sin of Fallen angels (Sons of God) with the women of Earth and the monsters they begot: the Nephilim (giants)
  3. 1 Enoch 6 - 10: 16; 15 (Our longest reading. Details behind the previous passage. After being taken into the heavens, the angel Uriel explains in detail to Enoch that God sent (will send) the Flood to wipe out corruption caused by the Fallen angels (AKA The Watchers) on Earth. The corruption extended from socio-political to biological thereby requiring a complete cleansing of Earth, save for the one (genetically untainted?) man, Noah, and his offspring. Oddly though, some of the Fallen angels are allowed to stay behind on Earth still, as demons. Between Chapters 10 and 15 the Fallen angels beg Enoch to intercede on their behalf before God, but I have edited that out.) The Book of Jubilees and 3rd Enoch also contain a similar tale.
  4. Jude 6 - 9; 14 - 15 (Those are verses, as Jude is only one chapter long. Jude directly quotes the Book of Enoch in his letter, which is about the evils of humankind and references the events depicted in 1 Enoch)
  5. 1st Corinthians 11: 5 - 11 (A very controversial text by Paul - to put it lightly. However, Paul's opinions on this matter are clearly influenced by the tale of the Nephilim in 1 Enoch. A passage in 2nd Peter on the evils of men holds similar regard for the Nephilim tale.)
    1. IV. Other angelic tidbits:

      We will not have time to discuss the following items, but I wanted to include them for your own later study if interested. You don't have to read this before the meeting - or at all, if you so desire. :-)

      1. The names and ranks of angels - This subject is only hinted at in the Bible. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Enoch all contain excruciatingly detailed (and varying) versions of angelic names, both Fallen and un-Fallen, especially 3rd Enoch. The idea of ranks of angels are discussed mostly in 2nd and 3rd Enoch and also the Book of Jubilees. Texts from last week contain a bit of this. Although interesting in one sense, there isn't much to talk about a huge long list of names.
      2. The Creation of angels - 2nd Enoch and the Book of Jubilees contains information. Again, last weeks texts contain a bit of information.
      3. The Metatron - Popularized in Kevin Smith's film Dogma, and portrayed by Alan Rickman, the Metatron appears in 3rd Enoch. Interestingly, in this text, Metatron is actually a newly-created form of Enoch himself, following his translation to heaven. This closely parallels ideas in the Book of Mormon on angels.
      4. The Book of Mormon and angels - I don't know if the text itself states this, but from what I have read, Mormons believe that all angels were in fact once humans. Certain 'special' humans were made into angels upon their deaths. The angel Nephi, (not mentioned outside of Mormonism) provided Joseph Smith with the tablets and translation of the text. How Mormonism views the concept of Fallen angels and Satan I am unsure, but maybe some of you know?
      5. The Koran - Beyond Satan and the concept of 'evil spirits' I believe Islam views regular angels similarly to Judaism and Christianity. Gabriel is said to have given Mohammed the text.
      6. Angels in prophecy - The Bible and non-canonical writings are loaded with angelic descriptions in terms of their role in revealing prophecy. Revelation and similar apocalypses are full of juicy tidbits, for instance. We may touch on some of this in future weeks, though.
      7. Angels in a world mythology sense - There are some that view the concept of angels, and specifically the tale elaborated in 1st Enoch as part of a greater world mythology - or even reality. The idea is that these stories along with similar cultural tales of giants, gods, monsters, etc all point to an original myth or reality that spread as stories of Egyptian, Greek, Indo mythology, etc in various forms. Some consider that this myth or reality continues today with stories of 'UFOs', 'aliens', and 'abductions', all tales that display similarity to Biblical accounts of angels and myths from around the world.